Board Thread:Apply For Staff/@comment-32680701-20170903211644/@comment-25120693-20170904171658

CelloJay wrote: DSZ Infinitum wrote: CelloJay wrote: Avnore wrote: PISTACHIOLORD wrote:

Avnore wrote: Oppose. However av, multiple other users who applied for staff now or are staff still continue to do this and do this as well. There is no point in pointing out on user in a pool of sins ...Except these screenshots were from the wiki's public discordserver, in a public channel that just about everyone could see. Just because other staff have done it (privately! not in a public channel and/or server!) doesn't excuse that Copper has done it, and just because lots of users have done it doesn't mean it's okay either. "Talking about mixel in a bad way" is understating what he's said about Mixel.

If you have an issue with any staff members that have trashtalked a certain user, called that user an attention whore because, and I quote, " He says he has Autism. Isn't this information supposed to be PERSONAL?! ", stated more than once that a certain user disgusts them with the only reason given being that said user apologizes for unnecessary things, flat-out called them crap on a public fucking server, then you're perfectly free to make a demotion thread for them. Hell, even if it wasn't this severe, you could go ahead and do it anyway.

Dude, they weren't being fucking private on the discord server. They trashed users before publicly on the rant channel while the user was still fucking there. It's the same as what Copper was doing, hell,  they've all said worse shit than Copper before. Why can they get away with it but not Copper? also people have tried making demotion threads before, believe me, from what Ive seen they fully deserve it, but the last time anyone did they went on a demotion thread making spree and attempted  on demoting those who tried demoting them, for very old and simple mistakes they have made Which others have done worse. If you couldn't tell people are fucking terrified of most of the wiki's staff so making a demotion thread for them is easier said than done.

You all really think the people in question haven't been comprimised with, or rather dealt with...? Also, could you please enlighten us with this so called "Demotion thread making spree"? Considering that the last demotion was actually voluntary, by Horizonfudge, saying that this demotion set in motion such an event is quite befuddling.

And the mention of the fear this community has for the current Admnistration. Demotions easier said than done. But that also means you stagnate, as nothing is done about it other than complaints and direct hostility, instead of taking a chair and have a serious discussion with mindfulness. Such attitude just makes it worse on the other side, prompting them to answer with just as much hostility, creating a vicious cycle of misunderstanding. If one does wrong, the other should know better, not do worse.

It seems that your equivalent of a justification from trashtalk is actual witchhunt. Witchhunt? Fitting term, since the apparent implication is that if someone does an offense superior to another, they're the only ones to be actually pursued.

Paying attention to surrounding dust, never seeing the main cause to be able to solve it. This has become stereotypical

This is about something else, which you weren't online at all when it had occurred. What do you mean by witch hunt? You mean witch hunting other users? no, that is not the case. The demotion thread making spree occurred when you were offline from The wiki, it started when a user tried demoting a staff member for abusing power and promoting back an Admin who was demoted after users reported them to fandom staff for horrible behavior. This admin was a friend of many of the staff so naturally they were enraged and went on making demotion threads for The person who tried demoting that admin and some close to them. Ive seen some chats where they specifically said they only made demotion threads for them because "I just don't like them" or "I was just annoyed at them". I will not be specifying anyone for good reasons. As I said before, they have bashed and insulted users before  publicly while the user was still there, and they got away with it,  and yes Copper shouldn't have done it either but neither should have The other staff who have applied for staff before and have done the same, got away with it, and passed their applications without getting called out.

Excuse the underlining but, what makes you think I was offline on the Wiki 'AT ALL? 'On what bases do you dare to presume that I wasn't present when that happened? Perhaps the concept of "Lurking" is neglected. Or utterly disregarded to gain a stronger sense of righteousness? Trivial.

If the demotion thread spree was really caused by the demotion of The One Individual We Know Well, elaborate how the demotions in question were actually distinct in their reasoning, and how one of them actually goes in opposition to another demoter.

You saw Staff justifying them making demotion threads with feelings of annoyance and bias. You taking action on it just now demonstrates your passiveness and lethargy in regards to your wish, if not also an intentional targetting of Staff despite physical facts.

Witchhunting was a term I used to imply that by the majority's logic, if one person over ten is called out it is treated as unfair due to the other ten people not having been torched. If a child from an orphanage murders an individual, should ALL children be executed? Another extention of reasoning influenced by personal, but blinding experiences.

Seeing how you still adopt the "Staff did it too in the past" argument, and seem to be aware of the difficulty of attempting a demotion for each one of them, the stubbornness to not actually be productive, cooperative and discuss a comprimise is beyond me.