Board Thread:Suggestions/@comment-24947676-20161027002535/@comment-24947676-20161027083600

Flutterbutter wrote: CrystaltheCool wrote:

Flutterbutter wrote:

CrystaltheCool wrote:

Flutterbutter wrote: Honestly, I'm going to support. However, I'm also going to point out this reminds me a lot of a forum boogs made (the only major difference being that he was also adding a new position) that got shot down pretty quick. Admittedly, when I was making this suggestion, I recalled Boog's thing pretty quickly. The difference is that this thing isn't a complete system overhaul, just two tweaks that don't even make a big deal, since most people move up the staff like "Rollback, Content Mod, Mini-Admin" or "Chat Mod, Discussion Mod, Mini-Admin".

And even then, the people who didn't move up that way probably won't be affected, since there probably isn't going to be check on all the staff members to see if they didn't move up the usual way. That'd be complicated and take too long, and would be unfair to those who didn't abide by a rule which didn't exist at the time they applied. My only worry for this system is the fact that some people don't move up. I remember looking @ the staff list just the other day and thinking to myself, "Jesus, some of these people have been in this position for ages". I feel because some people don't really want to move up the chain of command, there's a possiblity that one position will get clogged for a period of time and prevent people from moving up into other, empty positions because they're no allowed to. I have to agree with you on that worry. It's probable that one of the main reasons Boog's thing was opposed to hell and back was due to the fact that the rollback and chat mod positions were clogged, but the discussion mod and content mod positions were mostly empty. Restricting the ability to make it up to the empty positions would've effectively made it nearly impossible to move up.

I think the only position that's "clogged" is Discussion Mods. I can't really say that Chat Mods (Chat Mods are the only full position other than Discussion Mods) are clogged since Osen's probably gonna make it up to Mini-Admin based on the current rate of supports. Hopefully, but considering it's one of the more desired spots, I feel someone who might not be as willing to move up will quickly take it and we will have a problem similar to the disc. mod one that we'll have if this passes.

However, there is a plus to this. Because it takes so long to move up (for some), we can kind of gauge whether we do or don't want User A who is a disc. mod to move up since we know how the handle problems and their personality since people often change when given power (and some don't). This allows us to demote people who aren't fit for a higher position while they're still in a lower one (since the higher the position is, the bigger a deal a demotion is and seems) which could prevent a lot of fighting.

However, I'm going to change to oppose until there is a viable method to push people up the ranks if the higher ones ever do need to be filled. Considering that currently three out of the four mini-admin spots are filled, if Osen's application passes, then the position will be completely filled. Osen seems very willing to move up (considering they want to move up to mini-admin from chat mod, which is generally a position considered higher than rollback but lesser than discussion/content mod), so I don't think that'll be a big problem. It wouldn't surprise me if we see Osen becoming an admin in a few months. As we all know, position clogging doesn't matter as much if it's in one of the higher positions. It's only a major issue if it's in the lower positions.

However, in the case of pushing people up the ranks if higher ones need to be filled, the only method I can think of is promoting them by force, which isn't a very reliable method, as we've seen back in 2015 when I rashly promoted Boog to the top of the ranks. That didn't work out very well.