Board Thread:Suggestions/@comment-9026519-20170909234152/@comment-9026519-20170910022153

Porcy wrote: Eh I'll have to oppose, although I have mixed feelings. I think he should be given a second chance. Here's why:

Demoting Copper alone for something that not only every staff member, but most people on the wiki have also done is unfair, especially because Crabby has also said similar things in this very conversation which I believe was also screenshotted, and nobody has uttered a word about it. (By the way, I'm not saying Crabby should be demoted. He is a very valuable staff member aside from that)

Sekira, the only thing a rollback can do that normal users cannot is roll back edits. Which is barely better than undoing them, which is something anyone is capable of. What "job" is he supposed to be doing exactly?? I know of admins and mini-admins who haven't edited in weeks, but have no demotion thread at the moment. (I might make them though.)

What Copper did wasn't right, but he's no better than anyone here. I find it really hypocritical that people (excluding you, Flutter) who are apparently very against the shittalking and gossip that goes on here are literally in discord servers dedicated to shittalking and gossip going on here. Don't act like you're a pure angel.

I can surely see where you're coming from and I somewhat agree. However, I do feel action should be taken against the staff members who led this movement of shit talking regular users. This forum isn't really meant to fully demote someone, just send a warning that I, for one, am not afraid to try to demote them for what they have done.

You specifically have told me that, because so many staff members have done it, it would be hard if not impossible to punish all of them for their actions and I think this needs to change. I think we should make an effort to try to punish them and that's the real goal behind this post. To get people to oppose actions made by users like Copper and Crabby. I think that's the real issue here. Not whether a user gets demoted or not. As previously stated, there are reasons I've chosen Copper as my "scapegoat" if you want to call it that though I do feel they're logical ones.

I know what Copper did wasn't right. That's not really debateable. However, what is debateable is whether what he did after getting caught was right or not. Rationalizing these mistakes is something I personally am very against. I feel that, if you make a mistake, you fess up to it and that's something that literally no one here is doing and I think that's our biggest issue. People, both staff and not staff, are not fessing up to the mistakes they have made and, therefore, have not recognized the problem. I know I quoted him earlier but,

"The first step in solving a problem is recognizing there is one."

-Will Mcavory

The only problem is getting people to recognize that problem. That is the real goal behind this post. :)