Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-24947676-20160320162654/@comment-9026519-20160326085650

Oppose:

1) There is something like this covered in the newer rules.

2) Last time we had someone bring something like this up, a large amount of arguments ensued and we had an extremely large spike in people nominating themselves to go along with a large number of biased votes.

3) Yes, our admins may not be the best; each has their flaws, but none of them have, in my opinion, flat out broken the rules of this wiki while holding their position.

4) No council. If you look at politics in the world today, where two "parties" are forming and it's just endless arguing as one side tries to get power over another. If you look at this wiki, I've already seen things like this forming. "Groups" or "cliques" as you might call them here. Each has their set goals and opinions on matters, and some of the forms they've now lowered themselves to using are stupid. If we make this wiki even more "party" based, we'll not only be creating more arguments, but we will also most likely see even more low methods to gettign ones way.

5) Again, the same people I hear calling for reform because this wiki is "bad" and "argumentive" are also the same people using tricks and rule breaking methods to try to get their way. We remember what happened to Bubbles form that pretty much stated the exact same thing.

6) I'm going with what I feel is the lesser of the two evils. I honestly don't feel this wiki can ever come to a perfect unity; we're all too different. But I do feel like it can get much worse.

7) "Demote EVERYONE except the person who will promote the users (might be the "leader" of the council)." -Igor

Not sure where this came from (be it igor or someone else, I just got it from a comment he made). I don't understand. Why would we have a "leader" if that's what we wanted to get rid of with this forum?

8) One of the reasons I feel this wiki can't improve is because so much of the voting is done via personl bias. If you're friends with someone, you vote for them. An example of this is Goth's nomination. People continued to oppose her demotion and support her promotion, even though she had openly broken the rules of this wiki.

Look, if we really want to fix this wiki, we need to do more than "change the system". We need to change ourselves first.